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2008 NEC Questions and Answers - April - Part 1
 

 

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April 24, 2009
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NEC Questions and Answers Based on 2008 NEC

April – Part 1

 

By Mike Holt for EC&M Magazine

 

Here’s the follow up to yesterday’s newsletter. This includes all of the answers to the questions sent yesterday so you can see how you did.

 

Q1. If we have receptacles that are within 20 feet of a swimming pool, but are located indoors, do we have to provide GFCI protection for them?

A1. No, only 15A and 20A, 125V receptacles located within 20 ft from the inside walls of a permanently installed pool, outdoor spa, or outdoor hot tub must be GFCI protected [680.22(A)(4) and (5)].

 

Q2. Do we still have to bond the deck of an outdoor swimming pool if the deck is constructed of pavers?

A2. Yes, an equipotential bonding grid must extend 3 ft horizon­tally beyond the inside walls of a pool, outdoor spa, or outdoor hot tub, including unpaved, paved, and poured concrete surfaces [680.26(B)(2)]. The bonding grid must comply with 680.26(B)(2)(a) or (b) and be at­tached to the conductive pool reinforcing steel at a minimum of four points uniformly spaced around the perimeter of the walls of a pool, outdoor spa, or outdoor hot tub.

 

Q3. Is the grounding conductor for a TV antenna sized the same as a grounding conductor for a satellite dish?

A3. Article 810 covers both VHF/UHF antennas, (which receive local television signals) and satellite antennas, which are often referred to as satellite dishes. The grounding conductor for either of these must not be smaller than 10 AWG copper or 17 AWG copper-clad steel or bronze [810.21(H)].

 

Q4. Is there is limit on how far the bathroom receptacle must be from a shower or bathtub?

A4. No, but receptacles must not be installed within or directly over a bathtub or shower stall [406.8(C].

 

Q5. We installed an equipment grounding conductor in our metal raceways even though the Code doesn’t require us to. Does the equipment grounding conductor have to meet be properly sized, even though it doesn’t have to be there in the first place?

A5. Yes, there are no exceptions to the rules found in article 250 that allows you to undersize the equipment grounding conductor. Equipment grounding conductors of the wire type must be sized not smaller than shown in Table 250.122 based on the rating of the circuit overcurrent device; however the circuit equipment grounding conductor is not required to be larger than the circuit conductors [250.122(A)].

 

Q6. Do we have to install a receptacle behind the swing of a door in a bedroom of a dwelling unit, even if the wall is only 30 inches long?

A6. Yes. In every kitchen, family room, dining room, living room, sunroom, parlor, library, den, bedroom, recreation room, and similar room, a receptacle outlet must be installed so that no point along the wall space is more than 6 ft, measured horizontally along the floor line, from a receptacle outlet [2105.52(A)(1)]. Remember that "wall space" includes any space 2 ft or more in width, unbroken along the floor line by doorways, fireplaces, and similar openings;    the space occupied by fixed panels in exterior walls; and the space occupied by fixed room dividers, such as freestanding bar-type counters or guard rails[210.52(A)(2)].

 

Q7. In an apartment building, do the common corridors, offices and exercise rooms have to be wired in accordance with the dwelling unit rules? For example, do we need a receptacle every twelve feet?

A7. No, because these areas do not meet the definition of dwelling unit in article 100: A space that provides independent living facilities, with space for eating, living, and sleeping; as well as permanent facilities for cooking and sanitation.

 

Q8. Where does the code require that all products must be listed by UL or equivalent?

A8. The NEC doesn’t require all electrical equipment to be listed, but some Code requirements do specifically require product listing. Organizations such as OSHA increasingly require that listed equipment be used when such equipment is available [90.7, 110.2, and 110.3].

 

Q9. We have a heat tape system installed on a metal roof. The heat tape has arced against the metal before, and we are concerned we will burn the place to the ground! Someone told us to use a GFCI on the circuit, and someone else told us not to. Please help us.

A9. Fixed outdoor electric deicing and snow-melting equipment must have ground-fault protection of equipment (GPE), unless the equipment uses mineral-insulated, metal-sheathed cable embedded in a noncombustible medium [426.28]. This GPE protection is different from a GFCI because it trips at a higher current value (30 mA as opposed to 5 mA).

 

Q10. We are having a lot of arguments about the requirements for vending machines. I know a Coke machine is a vending machine, but what about a fridge at the checkout line in the grocery store? Is this a “vending machine”?

A10. No. A “vending machine” is a self-service device that dispenses products or merchandise and requires coin, paper currency, token, card, key, or receipt of payment by other means.

 

Cord-and-plug-connected vending machines must include a GFCI as an integral part of the attachment plug, or within 12 in. of the attachment plug. Older machines that are not so equipped must be con­nected to a GFCI-protected outlet [422.51].


Q11. Can we install a plenum rated cable inside of an air duct to wire up the temperature sensor that is inside of the duct?

A11. No. Only type MI cable, Type MC cable that has a smooth or corrugated impervious metal sheath without an overall nonmetallic covering, electrical metallic tubing, flexible metallic tubing, intermediate metal conduit, or rigid metal conduit without an overall nonmetallic covering can be installed in ducts or plenums specifically fabricated to transport environmental air, and this is only allowed where the wiring is necessary for direct action upon, or sensing of, the contained air [300.22(B) and 725.3(C)].

 

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Comments
  • There is not enough info given for question # 1, because if the pool in question is located indoors, than the answer is yes.

    mjf
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  • According to Table 310-16 of the Code book the ampacities copper conductor varies with respect to the insulation type of the conductor. I understand that the ampacity to use in each column for the conductors depends on the terminal rating for the termination of the conductor. For instance, can #8 THHN be terminated to a 50 amp bolt-on type circuit breaker that is listed as 90 degree C supplying a 37.7 amp dishwasher load?

    Doug
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  • Question 4 is not clear enough. I have run into many situations where an inspector will not let you install any type of outlet within the defined shower tub area.

    Royce Hartsoe
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  • HOW R YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THE NEXT TEST TO UPDATE IN THE NEXT CODE.. ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO AS PREVIOUS WITH TAKING HRS IN CORROSPNDENCE PER YEAR. I DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO SIT IN CLASS ALL DAY NLONG DUE TO ILLNESS.

    RON LUCAS
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  • is there any restrictions as to how many BX cables can be bundled together? I have a BX job that has all branch conducters going back to the panel, with as many as 25 to 30 #10 3c cables. The conductors are specified to be #10, so they are derated by design on this commercial office space

    Joe Pereira
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  • Where can the definition you used for vending machines (Q.10) be found? I was looking and couldn't find it.

    Thanks, Chris

    Chris
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  • The response to question 1 does not address the original question. If the pool is outdoors receptacles that are indoors, but are within the 20 foot distance, are not required to be GFCI protected because they are separated from and not accessible to the pool.

    Question #6 and the answer are incomplete. How does a wall behind a door opening be only 30 inches and not have another wall that is attached; probably at a perpindicular? The receptacle could be placed in this adjacent wall and not be placed behind the door.

    Vic
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  • Q1 brings up another question. Say you have a half height wall, such as a counter top next to your pool. Do receptacles on the back side of the counter need to be GFCI? - they are within 20 feet, but on the opposite side of the wall.

    Q6 - Isn't it true that you would not necessarily have to install a receptacle behind the door, if there was a receptacle on the adjacent wall around the corner, within 6 feet of the door edge (within 42 inches of the corner)

    Greg Porter
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  • In question 10, does a vending machine, in an office lease space need to have a GFCI installed?

    Scott Staley
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  • Question 11 then what about sensors and devices used to measure temperature and why do ahu manufacturers' do this all the time

    THD
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  • Regarding Q11, does this include cat5 network cables? We have a monolithic concrete building in which a computer guru instaled a network cord through a 22" dia. return air duct. I assume this is not OK?

    Kevin
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