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Smart Plugs
 

 

Topic - Safety
Subject - Smart Plugs

June 29, 2009
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Smart Plugs? – or not?

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According to data collected by the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) every year in North America 82,500 major electrical related fires are reported - an additional 890,000 fires go unreported!

Current safeguards, like your breaker/fuse panel, Arc Fault Circuit Interrupters (AFCI), Ground Fault Circuit Interrupters (GFCI) and child shock protectors, provide adequate protection, but not enough, according to Inventor John La Grou.

La Grou’s SafePlug invention has been billed by some as the next generation in residential and commercial electrical delivery. It promises to prevent deadly accidents like house fires -- and to conserve energy by making the electrical systems in our homes “smart”.  It is a technology that combines microprocessors in power outlets and RFID tags in electrical plugs.

TED’s (Technology, Entertainment, Design) talk website has generated much open discussion about this new brand of electrical fault circuit interrupters: the cost involved in replacing receptacles; the concept that safety devices often don't produce a real increase safety because they induce people to behave in a more risky way; whether it would be better suited to businesses and hotels; whether the automation provided by a smart receptacle might be more consistent and effective for only a limited number of homeowners.

And of course, the big issue: whether the government should pass a regulation that imposes every outlet use a technology such as this - with a few hundreds patents and owned by one company!

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  • How much does the "NANNY" government need to protect us? This "SAFE" item will make somebody very wealthy and drive the cost of construction to a new height. How much safety can we afford?

    Mike Messenger
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  • Plugs/Receptacles are not mechanical arcing devices and the only way for a fire to erupt inside the plug housing is the substrate used. Remember that when an arc is established inside a plastic box with air openings caused by the entrance of NM cables you have a recipe for disaster. Can any study be done that would cover metal boxes and MC or EMT raceways?

    John Turilli
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  • I think protecting the entire circuit is better than just what is plugged into the outlet. What about lighting? Appliances? this tech does not address these concerns and I feel it is just about $$$$

    Mark Cook
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  • the more worthless junk you add to a sysytem the more problems you cause next it will be shoved down our throats that GFCI'S & AFCI'S actualy work 100% of the time. If you doubt my last statement grab the neighbors cat & throw it in metal tub full of water & watch what happens

    Glenn Hewett
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  • I would always be in favor of safty, however let's not involve the government. They create more problems than they solve and it will cost twice as much in the end.

    Fred R Bitterly
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  • If you like rebooting your computer every day, wait 'til we get to 'reboot' our house every time there's an outage!

    And I'm certainly looking forward to having the utility spying on me through the wiring and selling the data to the highest bidder...

    Jim Ellsworth
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  • There are some pretty strong objections voice here on a product that most have not held in their hand or likely installed. The intelligent design of electrical products is not going to go away anytime soon unless we shoot the liberals. Our utilities are being driven in herds to adopt smart technology to interface with mandated smart grid management. Not liking it because of added consumer cost or lack of familiarity on design concepts is not going to prevent the evolution from occurring. Seek out all information you can gather then you can better bad-mouth the concept, vote out your elected official that is behind all this government intrusion or, conversely, make a decision that there is some merit. Right now it's all hot air.

    Peter Bowers
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  • If we went back 40 years we would see the same type of comments on GFCIs. The NEC required NM cable to have an equipment ground in the mid 60s, but even with grounding, there were still electrocutions and shocks. Many electricans did not like GFCIs dues to nuisance tripping - but that was mostly miswired circuits that caused them to trip! The GFCI has saved thousands of lives. Perhaps this product will as well.

    Tom Baker
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  • Unfortunately, there are just some people that will find a way to pass the safety of this up as well, rather intentionally or not.

    Susan
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  • Nice idea but obviously doesn't cover all issues. Extremely expensive solution. In a typical house this would cost +$3500. It is Interesting that it is not UL listed. Why not? What happens when the cord to the plug gets damaged and the leakage may not be detected? Does each outlet in a duplex work independently or does the whole receptacle tells on when a plug is introduced? The disc(chip) that fits over the plug blades needs power to work. How does that happen if the cord isn't plug-in? We all know that there is a heat build-up at the plug /receptacle connect especially when a major appliance is drawing large amonts of current (I.e. toaster). How do the electronics stand up over the long haul to this heat? Need more answers to questions before a better evaluation can be made.

    Stan Rydzynski
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  • hello i read all yours adds...very goog. i have a quiestion? by code whats the minimun distance between 120vac and 24 vac inside a VFD or starter. wiring low voltage like start stop, current censors etc.....i work as ems tech... thank you....

    lenny cordero
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  • Reply from: Bob   
    If the wiring is inside the VFD itself the wiring is the manufactures call. Inside the VFD the low voltage can be tied to in the same bundle as the 120 if the manufacturer so decides and, in fact, it often is. However, the low voltage and the high voltage must enter the VFD in separate conduits or cables. In general the manufacturer takes responsibility for the wiring inside their devices. However, local codes almost always insist that the device have a listing label or laboratory certification.. When wiring these devices ALWAYS follow the manufacturers instructions. Added wiring, such as bypass starters, are under the NEC and the AHJ. .
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  • Let's let the free market speak to the issue. Personally I'm sceptical of any device that claims to do everything that this one is advertised to do. For certain the use of such a device should not be mandated by any Code in any jurisdiction at a cost of $60.00 plus per receptacle.

    Danny Stone, PE
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  • I am not buying the hype of this new safety plug. I believe that it is just another person trying to get rich quick. If they can get the govt. ( which is nothing more than liers & thieves) to make this a law then the inventor/company can get rich with the patent.I don't believe that this really has anything to do with safety.

    Matt Spaulding
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  • I saw this at a trade show and talked to the inventor. I thought it was kind of cool. Some "chips" are provided with the plug.They are on computer board that slip on the prongs of the plug. You match the amperage on the chip to the amperage the appliance is supposed to draw. The chips are very thin, so full insertion wouldn't be a problem. The fact that there is no power unless it senses the chip is good for child safety. You can also purchase chips if you want an amperage that is not provided. He said they are very inexpensive. I think it's a progressive idea, and that it will be implemented in some form in the future.

    Lori Fay
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  • This product and several similiar to it have been presented to CMP-18 over the years to be included in the NEC. All have been rejected by the panel because there is nothing in the Code that forbids their usage and the Panel is a very reluctant to require that a proprietary product be dictated by the Code. My personal objection is that the Code should not be used to help make anyone an overnight millionaire.

    Michael Ber
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  • I see that the RFID discrimination is very tight so that a single plug in a duplex receptacle does not activate the second receptacle.

    How close does a tag have to be to trigger the circuit? Granted that his will keep bobby pins and keys from becoming hot, but does this prevent a small child from plugging in a Safeplug(tm) cord and putting their tiny fingers across the blades while the power is active?

    How does this address power strips and extension cords where a variable load can be anticipated on a single plug?

    Ken Lillemo
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  • The smart plug . The economy is bad enough , people can barley aford an Electrician now. so lets add a three more thousand to the bill.

    scott
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  • I notice that the customers of this product are all in Ontario. Is truly a Canadian-made product, or is it made in (God forbid) China? I would like to see CSA and UL labelling, and some indication of its country of origin. (Hopefully here in North America). Tnx, Jim Green Sta.Clarita, CA

    Jim Green
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  • I am interested with the product. May you please help me how to contact them and how to buy it outside the United States. I am from the Philippines.

    Ariel V. Pineda,PEE General Manager 201 Electrical Contractor & Trading +6345-9639245

    Ariel V. Pineda
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  • Everyone wants their families to live in a safe environment for sure. I think this product is more a feel good device rather than providing much real protection. What happens if an arc develops behind this device? There likely is no protection and a fire develops.

    I prefer to have the arc protection device at the source (panel) thus watching over not only the individual device or article being inserted into the outlet, but the entire wiring system for the circuit.

    WAB
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  • just a thought....the idea sounds good.....but one question.......adding the sticker to the male plug of a device means that that plug will not fully insert into the receptacle......then the blades will have proportionally less contact with in the receptacle giving less contact area.....should this be a concern or am i straining at gnats??...

    Ernie
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  • I for one think this is another way to increase add to the burden and expense of the home. Maybe a little common sense for a change would be helpful. But then where is the $ and government in that?

    zas
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  • This is just the first step. The "intelligence" is now built into receptacles that include AFCI protection, all we need to do now is decide what we want that "intelligence" to do. Why not include the normal amperage draw for a device on the tag. If the device is expected to draw 6 amps and is drawing 10 amps the receptacle could stop providing power. This is only the beginning, what we ask the "intelligence" to monitor is limited only by our imagination.

    Don Haskin
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  • We do not need another government regulation especially in the electrical community.

    Robert E. Lee
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  • The one thing that we don't need is any more regulations that cost the home owner any more money. GFI devices serve a good purpose however are being required in excess. Arc fault devices are a joke. This just causes the home owner more money. The problem is that you must educate the people. Most people have enough common sense to use electricity as it is intended. But when you have people with no common sense use appliances that over load circuits and or cause fires, That is where your problem lies. Lets look at the facts. A large percentage of house fires are older homes with old wiring. People are using portable heaters, hot plates etc. Mostly urban homes and in poorer neighborhoods. If anything, the manufacturers of such equipment should be the ones that have to change their equipment and operation. Why are we making 95% of the home owners pay for what the other 5% is causing in house fires etc. Furthermore, I know from a personal experiance that not nearly all the house fires that are supposedly caused by electrical are actually caused by electrical. That is what the fire marshals use when they don't know what really started the fire in the first place. I've seen this proven in court. KEEP GOVERNMENT OUT OF IT!!!! There are enough crazy codes and requirements at the present.

    Brian D. Kimball
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