Reply from: Mike Holt Thank you for your feedback, but your statement is 100% false. There is no amount of 'earthing' that you can do to reduce a ground-fault to a safe value. The theory that grounding brings the earth and energized metal parts to nearly the same potential is totally false.
The myth that grounding makes an installation safe has been passed around for over 100 years. NOTHING will make an installation safe against a ground fault, except bonding the metal parts to the source via a low-impedance ground-fault path in accordance with the NEC. As a matter of fact, the NEC specifically states that the earth (grounding) is not suitiable to meet the requirements you state [250.4(A)(5)].
Please visit www.MikeHolt.com, go to Newsletters, then click on Grounding. Read my Grounding versus Bonding series starting October 5th, 2004. Reply from: T.M.Haja sahib Mike,It seems that your grounding and bonding series does not apply to outdoor installations where bare ground could not be bonded.So in order to reduce shock hazard outdoors, earthing with low resistance values,chemical treatment of soil etc may be required in domestic premises. Reply from: Mike Holt Since grounding metal parts to the earth does not reduce shock hazard to a safe level, the NEC does not have any requirements to ground outdoor metal parts to the earth. Reply from: T.M.Haja sahib Mike,What about NESC?It specifically states earthing of shielded cables above 5kv at regular intervals to safeguard from induced voltages! Reply from: Mike Holt This relates to the earthing of the system. I hope you don't think you can make an installation safe from a 5 kV ground fault to metal parts by simply grounding the metal parts to the earth!
It doesn't work that way. You have to understand the entire system, what it makes it safe from, and how ground faults are cleared. You just keep trying to find a way that the earth will make an installation safe from a ground fault. This topic is closed. I did the best I could to help you and I just don't think you understand the issues. Reply from: T.M.Haja sahib Mike,It is seems that NESC does not come under your expertise.That is why you did not comment correctly on my last posting.But seeing that you will never agree,I also give up.Thanks. Reply from: Mike Holt The NESC is for utility wiring systems, and like all systems, they are generally recommended that they be grounded to reduce overvoltage conditions. Understand this relates to the 'system' not the metal parts.
But, it doesn't matter what standard applies. If you take a 5 kV circuit and ground fault it to a metal part and that metal part is grounded, anyone touching that energized metal part will die. Now however, if an equipotential plane is unstalled so that the person touching the energized metal part, then that person should be safe. This is the basis of IEEE 80 which is the standard for substations.
The issue however has to do with a ground rod at a metal pole to make the installation safe (the metal pole is not a system) from a ground fault. Which of course you can't do.
You are welcome to test your theory (I have). Just take a ground rod, drive it into the earth, energize it and then measure the potential from the ground rod to the earth, let's say 1, 2 and 3 ft away from the ground rod.
Review IEEE 142 which explains the reasons for 'system grounding' that the NESC utilizes, which is not the topic of discussiont. By the way, system grounding is to reduce transient system overvoltage to a safe level, not to reduce a ground voltage to a safe level. This is accomplished by equipotential planes and better yet, the clearing of a ground fault.
. Reply from: T.M.Haja sahib Mike,I have a suggestion.If we continue our discussion long enough,we could publish together our discussion in the form of a booklet.Do you agree? |